--- product_id: 207237271 title: "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: A Novel" brand: "neal stephenson" price: "NZ$68" currency: NZD in_stock: false reviews_count: 7 url: https://www.desertcart.nz/products/207237271-fall-or-dodge-in-hell-a-novel store_origin: NZ region: New Zealand --- # Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: A Novel **Brand:** neal stephenson **Price:** NZ$68 **Availability:** ❌ Out of Stock ## Quick Answers - **What is this?** Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: A Novel by neal stephenson - **How much does it cost?** NZ$68 with free shipping - **Is it available?** Currently out of stock - **Where can I buy it?** [www.desertcart.nz](https://www.desertcart.nz/products/207237271-fall-or-dodge-in-hell-a-novel) ## Best For - neal stephenson enthusiasts ## Why This Product - Trusted neal stephenson brand quality - Free international shipping included - Worldwide delivery with tracking - 15-day hassle-free returns ## Description Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: A Novel ## Images ![Fall; or, Dodge in Hell: A Novel - Image 1](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51ci7HwCKCL.jpg) ## Customer Reviews ### ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Stephenson's vision of the consequences of the MAGA movement 50 years from now. *by B***L on Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on January 28, 2023* Beginning with Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash, I have enjoyed many of Stephenson's maximalist novels, including especially the entire nearly 3,000 pages of the steam-punk Baroque Cycle. After "Snow Crash", one might have assumed that Neal Stephenson was a died-in-wool, bit coin crazy, MAGA, anti-government libertarian. But in this book, it appears that he has begun to ridicule what he sees as the long term consequences 40 to 50 years from now of rural American anti-elitist hostility. In Fall, the consequence is the development of Ameristan (portmanteau of American and Afghanistan).Early in the book, Stephenson introduces an internet scam that involves the alleged nuclear bombing of an out of the way town in south eastern Utah, Moab.Despite the scam being revealed as a lie, one of the lead protagonists laments (pg 174):"That billions of people went on believing everything they saw on the Internet in spite of it. . . ."'What's the point?' The mass of people are so stupid, so gullible, because they want to be misled. There's no way to make them not want it. You have to work with the human race as it exists, with all its flaws. Getting them to see reason is a fool's errand.'"'I've seen El on social media, suggesting that Moab actually was nuked. Like openly pandering to the people who still believe that,' Corvallis said. "Those observations (and many others) clearly reflect Stephenson's current views regarding social media.Part Three, Chapters 12-16, pg 177-252 are what I consider the anti-MAGA chapters.The ultimate protagonist, Sophia, and her friends plan a trip to visit "a little pocket of blue" which is the ancestral family farm in Iowa just east of Sioux City, "near where Iowa, Nebraska and South Dakota came together." p. 181To get to the farm, they must leave the interstate highway system, which means "going off grid" on a two lane highway. This area they call "Ameristan" where there are roadblocks by those who see everything as a government plot. It seems that bridges are the only government structures that those in Ameristan don't "ANFO" (meaning blow up). pg. 180To get to Ameristan in order to visit the "little pocket of blue" they must rent a tactical vehicle and be accompanied by two bodyguards who drive a pickup truck fitted out with a 50 calibre machine gun on a tripod for use "when venturing into regions where an impressive show of force was deemed prudent." Oh, and the pickup truck is also fitted out with a fixed wing drone which is launched from the truck's roof. pg. 183Each person is assumed to subscribe to an "edit stream" received through special web based glasses. Looking at the manager of a car rental office who has an assault rifle slung over his shoulder, Sophia wonders what edit stream he is using and the "particular flavor of post-reality it was pumping into his mind." pg 182Sophia questions, Tom, one of the gun slinging Iowa bodyguards about his southern accent. It turns out he has no southern heritage what-so-ever, but has "adopted - affected - Southern stylings. Northerners don't talk like that, they don't drawl, the don't say 'y'all' . . . Or put the Stars and Bars on their bumpers."As they are driving Northwest into Ameristan, Sophia and her friends discuss the characteristics of their body guard whose truck they are following in a 40 year old Land Rover (their normal vehicle is a self driving electric). The truck of the bodyguards has a Confederate Flag sticker on one side and a "Remember Moab" sticker on the other side of the license plate.Sophia notes that "it would have seemed weird for Northerners to post the traitor's' flag on their bumper or cop an accent from Alabama" as late as 17 years ago. But, as her friend points out, "The cultural border shifted north."In narrative, Stephenson writes: "the border, staked out by Walmarts and truck stops, was as real as anything from Cold War Berlin."When the group crosses over into Iowa's "Ameristan," the body guards pull over and remove all the license plates from the two vehicles, which were mounted with magnets for easy removal.As they drive into Ameristan, they pass "the occasional fiberglass statue of a political leader, erected by a farmer in the front yard of an isolated house, or a makeshift billboard railing against contraception." pg 186When the body guards launch their fixed wing drone from the top of their truck as they drive Northwest, Sophia speculates that they have "access to edit streams of geodata showing hot spots of gunfire and traffic slowdowns that might suggest roadblocks or check points" manned by local Taliban.After a while, they reach a hill on which is positioned "the giant Flaming Cross of the Leviticans" which is about the size and shape of a standard wind turbine (i.e. about as tall as the 300 foot Statue of Liberty). pg. 188As Sophia wonders if she should contact Tom, the body guard in the lead truck of the armed caravan, about the giant gas powered Flaming Cross, she realizes that "his edit space and Sophia's were totally disjoint . . . and anything that came from Princeton or Seattle would never reach Tom's feed until it had been bent around into propaganda whose sole function was to make Tom afraid and angry."The rest of this portion of the novel is a hoot. Too soon, for me, the novel returns to the always inventive and entertaining science fiction that has earned Stephenson his incredible reputation. But this little pericope is marvelous commentary on the likely consequences of the current rural/urban divide. And, it's hard to see how it can represent anything less than Stephenson's contempt for the MAGA movement, which is a surprise, considering the libertarian-anarchical tone of his work in the past, especially including "Snow Crash."To make a brief comment about the bulk of the novel, Stephenson's dramatic analysis of the notion of a mind bereft of a body living on in eternity is very thought provoking at several levels. In developing this idea, Stephenson reaches not inconsiderable heights of quasi-religious allegory, including creation ex-nihilo. In view of the working out of a drama based on that idea, this reader is impressed with the absurdity of the idea of downloading a brain into the AWS cloud.Not that it couldn't be done, but why would you want to do it? ### ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ It has its ups and downs and not Stephenson's best, but it is still an excellent read *by C***N on Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on June 26, 2019* As always with Neal Stephenson books, this one is immensely difficult to describe. But this one is also incredibly difficult to rate, as it is really two distinct narratives, one wrapped within the other, with shifting emphasis throughout the book from the one to the other as the latter develops. Despite the latter occupying the majority of the book, I'll refer to it as the "secondary" narrative as it takes place within a construct of the "primary" narrative.Effectively, this is a book dealing with death and the ability for technology to simulate consciousness to provide a simulacrum of a life after death. The primary narrative involves the world of earth and the figures central to the scanning, digitizing, and decoding of dead human forms to code digital consciousnesses that maintain traits of the original individual. Along the way in this primary narrative are lots of twists and turns, relating to our current socio-technological relationship (including large, and fascinating extrapolations of algorithmic content generation, fake news, human susceptibility/gullibility, stimulus echo chambers, religious evolution in techno-secular world, class division in America, the influence of access to information on education especially in an ever-present IT age, mythology, history, cryptography, etc.), and, per usual with Stephenson, does a spectacular job of not only creating something believably tangible, but encompassing it with such detail and richness as to feel real, and delivered enough through dialogue and characters' own learnings along with the reader as to make it easily digestible and feeling like a progressive journey.The secondary narrative is the creation of universe of the digital world of the dead, and the experiences of those within it. This begins with the creation of the first sentient "being" (God metaphor) who shapes the universe through to a time period roughly equivalent to the Middle Ages but with, at the same time, loads of deviations from our true history. There are creation myths explored (and much of the book explores mythology - both in our real world and the fabricated "mythologies" that arise in this world of the dead) with allusions pervasive throughout (in both narratives) to our own conceptions of existence. While the second narrative begins with a truly philosophically provocative depiction of the first being "waking up" with no concept of time, existence, or self - a horrifying depiction of a potential hell - and then dedicates an immense number of pages to the evolution from sentient nothingness to established world, then to borrowed myths, then to alternate history, it finally concludes (at which point the primary narrative is largely abandoned) with a fantasy-novel-esque journey/quest. This journey is by no means bad - it was some of the most entertaining, page-turning content in the book - but rather that it lacked the depth, complexity, and provocation seen in the main story.Aside from the immensely detailed construction of that world, and the depth of history provided, it was not a particularly special quest story - whereas the rest of this, and most other Stephenson writings, offer something more. What's more, so much of that historical context-setting seemed perhaps overly detailed in retrospect. Or perhaps not, because it added a lot of considerations regarding philosophy, society building, history, and religion/mythology - relevant to the reader's world and in the world of the secondary narrative. All of this did make for a more interesting world, but so many characters to which many, many pages were afforded came and went without much consequence (surely in part to demonstrate the amounts of time passed) or ultimately played little role. Others seemingly sprung up without much introduction to become pivotal.At roughly 900 pages long, I found that it could have cut 100+ pages (especially from the Adam and Eve narrative which, beyond making readers question what it may have been like to be Adam and Eve, didn't offer much in my view) without much loss. And yet, at the same time, I wished the story would continue.The climax and falling action happened so quickly, especially contrasted with how many pages and how many details were dedicated to their build-up. The conclusion did fit fairly well within the universe constructed, it's more just that I wanted more, given how much the story had been giving up to that point - it kind of fell flat by comparison. And it's also just that I wanted the story to keep going. The universes (for at that point, we briefly jump back to the primary narrative one last time, which is also quite far into the future) are so compelling and well made that I wanted to get to keep experiencing them. As always, Stephenson delivers something that is both weightily thought-provoking and extremely entertaining.Despite its being almost 900 pages, and my exceptionally slow reading rate, I finished this in under 2 weeks, unable, for the most part, to put it down. The first 400 or so pages were and incredible mix of provocative, societally reflective, and entertaining. The next maybe 200-300 were a mix of dense but provocative, and fairly dull, but stage setting. The final 200-ish were mostly just entertaining (albeit fairly shallow and generic, lacking much of the depth that typically makes Stephenson stand out to me as an author). All in all, a dynamic and excellent book that borrows bits and pieces of its structure from Stephenson's Anathem (multiple dimensions and a quest) and Snow Crash (considerations for technology's ability to augment existence and how the human condition/human society may adapt and evolve in due course), while taking on altogether fresh subject matter, adding its own twists, and intermingling so many disparate concepts and knowledge subject areas - in a manner only Stephenson seems capable of doing - as to leave me struggling to describe everything the book explores and encompasses. ### ⭐⭐ Very disappointing. *by G***R on Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on July 8, 2019* If you've never read Neal Stephenson before, don't make this your first choice. It starts well, continuing with some of the characters introduced in 'Reamde', but about half-way through it turns into a plodding fantasy quest that seems to be attempting to rehash the Fall of man story (Paradise Lost etc.), which drags along for way too many pages before it seems to remember what the novel was supposed to be about and makes a poor attempt at a satisfactory conclusion.Stephenson is at his brilliant best when drilling down in long expositions into technical minutiae, and although this story seemed to be about focusing on how to achieve communication between real world and 'bit world', it never achieves that.I almost lost interest (and certainly lost track of what was going on) in the quest part of the book, and only kept going because I was expecting some dazzling denouement at the end of the book, but sadly that never happened and I was left with the distinct impression that I must surely have missed something as I couldn't believe a Stephenson book could be this bad. It's like he gave up with the story half-way through and asked somebody else to finish it. --- ## Why Shop on Desertcart? - 🛒 **Trusted by 1.3+ Million Shoppers** — Serving international shoppers since 2016 - 🌍 **Shop Globally** — Access 737+ million products across 21 categories - 💰 **No Hidden Fees** — All customs, duties, and taxes included in the price - 🔄 **15-Day Free Returns** — Hassle-free returns (30 days for PRO members) - 🔒 **Secure Payments** — Trusted payment options with buyer protection - ⭐ **TrustPilot Rated 4.5/5** — Based on 8,000+ happy customer reviews **Shop now:** [https://www.desertcart.nz/products/207237271-fall-or-dodge-in-hell-a-novel](https://www.desertcart.nz/products/207237271-fall-or-dodge-in-hell-a-novel) --- *Product available on Desertcart New Zealand* *Store origin: NZ* *Last updated: 2026-04-25*