The Dark Forest

It's hard to know where to begin talking about The Three-Body Problem trilogy (officially known as the Remembrance of Earth's Past series), a truly staggering piece of science-fiction written by Chinese author Cixin Liu and translated to English by Ken Liu and Joel Martinsen (Liu did books 1 and 3, while Martinsen did 2). A trilogy that spans literally thousands of years, deals with quantum physics, game theory, sociology, religion, space exploration, space colonization, and more, all driven by the nature of first contact with alien intelligence - there's a lot going on in this series, and that's before you start realizing just how much Cixin (reminder: Chinese names are traditionally written with the family name first and the given name second) truly takes on the advanced science of his ideas. And yet, when you finish it, you realize that you've read something truly incredible - a piece of hard science-fiction whose ambition, scope, richness, and ideas are impossible not to find yourself thinking about for days afterward. Once you read The Dark Forest, the series' second volume, Cixin's ambition for this saga starts to come into focus. The question of first contact is settled, and the nature of the alien's approach is known: this is to be a takeover of our planet. But how can we deal with a race so much more advanced than our own, constant surveillance by extra-dimensional forces, and fractured elements of humanity working against us? If The Three-Body Problem was a first contact novel done as hard science-fiction, The Dark Forest is an alien invasion novel, albeit one in which the actual invasion is still many, many years away. It's the first time Cixin starts using hibernation to leap through decades and even centuries, spanning huge chunks of time as humanity changes and evolves in the face of an arrival which will change everything. As humanity struggles to find ways to either defend itself or show that it means no harm, the race has to deal with its own fears of inevitable defeat or a desire to retreat from the only planet we've ever known. It's not as if The Three-Body Problem wasn't already ambitious, but The Dark Forest is on a whole other level, dealing with interplanetary fleets, lightspeed travel, quantum computing, and more, watching as they evolve over huge swaths of time. But more than that, the novel is a deeply philosophical one, discussing the nature of life in the universe, questions about human nature and how we react in the face of threats, how we work together (or not), and game theory in how we try to handle uncertain intentions in allies and foes alike. Indeed, the central metaphor that gives the book its title (which doesn't arrive until near the novel's end) is a stunning one that helps you understand that what Cixin is writing about isn't just this particular alien invasion, but about the nature of all life in the universe and how we attempt to define ourselves in the face of reality. That Cixin does this while, again, mixing in such a compelling story (focusing especially on the "Wallfacers", a small group of people tasked with covertly planning humanity's resistance against the invasion) is nothing short of remarkable. The Dark Forest builds beautifully off of the questions and ideas raised in The Three-Body Problem, but turns them into something else entirely, changing the questions from "how do we initially react" to "how would we redefine ourselves in the face of such news". Far from suffering from any sort of "middle book syndrome," The Dark Forest is incredible, engaging with incredible concepts but never neglecting the human characters that anchor its massive scope nor the ticking clock at its story's core. To explain this series is a difficult challenge, to put it mildly. This is a series that spans a huge amount of time, deals with advanced scientific concepts in complex terms, grapples with rich philosophical and political ideas, debates questions without easy answers, and gives you a scope that can be daunting. It's a story of alien invasions, yes, but one in which the action sequences we're so used to are replaced with existential dread, a rethinking of our own lives, and a fear of the unknown that's hard to quantify. It's also the story of people caught up in these times, trying to give themselves a good life while never forgetting the larger questions of their era, and juggling their own fears with fears for humanity. In other words, it's what hard science-fiction is great at - thoughtful questions, big ideas, and speculation, all of which change the way you think about the world. This series is a truly incredible achievement, one that honestly left me a bit staggered and reeling as I attempt to think about it all, but one that I love all the more for what it accomplishes. If you're a hard science-fiction fan, or simply someone who loves dealing with the complex ramifications of common ideas, this is a must read series. I've never read anything like it in my life, and I'm a richer person for the ideas it's inspired me to think about.

Just finished The Three Body Problem and The Dark Forest. Liu hired an excellent translator - the story comes through, it's compelling, and it's good hard sci-fi. I'd recommend these two to sci-fi geeks like me. I've decided not to read the third and fourth books for two reasons: first, the second book ends strangely - it's almost like the last chapter was written by someone else, and, unfortunately is unsatisfying. Second, while I enjoyed the books, they have large sections that plod along a bit - maybe after a break I'll tackle another one, but not for awhile. 😁 The app won't allow me to mark with 3 stars (which I would give the second book) but will allow 4 (which I would give the first book.)

I’m torn between giving the 4.5 or 5 stars. On one hand, the level of thought innovation in this book is atmospheric. The story strides through eons, societies, and cultures with strength. The clever technology, plot, philosophical and strategic twists & turns are mind blowing. They merit a solid 5 stars. Yet, I’m left partly perplexed. This is SO vast and sweeping that I experienced two emotions while reading it. First, I grew slightly weary of the expanse of it. The reader must keep an enormous amount about what’s happening in their brain whilst still integrating more. I felt nearly overwhelmed in the process. Second, the sweep of story is so vast that the number of characters required to tell it is huge. (The author provides a large dramatis personae up front, maybe in recognition of the assistance a reader will need.) I had to refresh my recollection more than once. These things make me want to pull a half a star off my rating. Yet, it’s compelling enough that I won’t do that in the whole-star options presented by Amazon & Goodreads. (It’ll be nice to use a 1/4 or 1/2 star option at TheStoryGraph.) For the record, the book also has two aspects that sadden me. There is a certain fatalism that is clearly wrought through much of the book. I won’t spoil the info about whether it’s resolved positively or not. But it is sad, because my Christian stance in life - hard, and logically forged - brings a different view to my life, and I’m saddened for people who feel that life is empty & meaningless. In a second, related aspect, the author incorporates a little bit of religion and a treatment of God alongside a purely secular (as well as Chinese-rooted) orientation of the story. In the process he almost (*almost*) paints the people with God beliefs as the ones who may have hope that can free them from the despair of fatalism. Sadly, while he gave this some space, he didn’t have the desire or faculties to develop it, so it’s hard to conclude if he is respecting or ridiculing them. I was ambivalent about Book 1. Book 2 is compelling. In to Book 3. (Thanks Chris B for encouraging me to press thru to #2.)

Little other view on science fiction. Something I'd recommend

Am an old Sci-Fi fan, and this series of books has blown me away, I feel like I have gone on an incredible journey in my mind. Am writing this as a review of the three books together, there is no point debating which book is better as they all just form a whole narrative arc. I got into them through watching the Netflix adaptation of the first book, and as soon as I finished it I wanted to know more and bought the books. They aren't perfect, the narrative can majorly drag sometimes, but then you get to something that is where the slow bit was leading to and there is usually a great pay off in the story. They were originally written in Chinese, but the translations of these books is done really well. Overall it has been the most impactful Sci-Fi I have ever read.

Dopo aver letto Il problema dei tre corpi, non vedevo l’ora di immergermi nel secondo capitolo della trilogia, e The Dark Forest non ha deluso le aspettative — anzi, le ha superate. Cixin Liu porta la narrazione a un nuovo livello, esplorando tematiche straordinarie come la psicologia collettiva, la strategia a lungo termine dell’umanità e l’inevitabile confronto con civiltà extraterrestri. Il concetto della "foresta oscura" è potente, originale e inquietante: una metafora perfetta per l’universo come luogo di pericolo e diffidenza assoluta. Il romanzo è più filosofico e riflessivo rispetto al primo, ma non mancano colpi di scena, momenti di pura tensione e idee brillanti. I personaggi sono ben costruiti e profondi. Lo stile di scrittura è sempre preciso e denso di contenuto. Richiede attenzione, ma viene ripagata con una visione affascinante e spiazzante della civiltà, del tempo e del cosmo.

La historia es excelente, al igual que la primera entrega. Aborda temas desde gobiernos totalitarios y democraticos hasta el control de la mente. Totalmente recomendado

Fantastic! So much food for thoughts!